barack obama is correct. they represent, they have roots in egyptian society but they are not the leading force in the society. and this movement was not lead by the islamists t was lead by seculars. >> brown: what do you think about the role of the army at this point, has enough changed. or has that status quo that hishem is talking about still in place? >> well, i think the egyptian people have around five and a half,000 years of running urban society. they now how to do this. know know about civil society, about legal systems, they know about farming and trade and commerce and foreign relations. they know this better than anybody else in the entire world, virtually. so i have enormous faith in the ability of the ode egyptian people to come together and make this transig. they haven't had a chance to do this in 50 or 60 years. but so i think, but it's there it's a chrome sownally in them and you have hundreds of thousands of egyptians from around the world, nobel prize winners, scientists, university presid